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+Auth Summary
+------------
+
 * auth is a stepped protocol (similar to SASL)
 * we offer possible authentications
 * these proceed until a deny or allow is hit.
@@ -13,3 +16,128 @@ decisions from a single datapoint
 * each token can be unique based on the type of auth (ie 2fa needed to get access
 to admin groups)
 
+Auth Considerations
+-------------------
+
+* Must prevent replay attacks from occuring at any point during the authentication process
+
+* Minimise (but not eliminate) state on the server. This means that an auth process must
+  remain on a single server, but the token granted should be valid on any server.
+
+Auth Detail
+-----------
+
+Clients begin with no cookie, and no session.
+
+The client sends an AuthRequest to the server in the Init state. Any other request
+results in AuthDenied due to lack of cookie.
+
+The server issues a cookie, and allocates a session id to the cookie. The session id is
+also stored in the server with a timeout. The AuthResponse indicates the current possible
+auth types that can proceed.
+
+The client now sends the cookie and an AuthRequest with type Step, that contains the type
+of authentication credential being provided.
+
+The server verifies the credential, and marks that type of credential as failed or fufilled.
+On failure of a credential, AuthDenied is immediately sent. On success of a credential
+the server can issue AuthSuccess or AuthResponse with new possible challenges. For example,
+consider we initiall send "password". The client provides the password. The server follows
+ by "totp" as the next type. The client fails the totp, and is denied.
+
+If the response is AuthSuccess, an auth token is issued. The auth token is a bearer token
+(that's what reqwest supports). For more consideration, see, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750.
+
+Notes:
+
+* By tracking what auth steps we have seen in the server, we prevent replay attacks by re-starting
+the state machine part way through. THe server enforces the client must always advance.
+* If the account has done "too many" auth attempts, we just don't send a cookie in the
+initial authRequest, which cause the client to always be denied.
+* If the AuthRequest is started but not completed, we time it out within a set number of minutes
+by walking the set of sessions and purging incomplete ones which have passed the time stamp.
+
+Auth Questions
+--------------
+
+At a design level, we want to support ephemeral group information. There are two ways I have
+thought of to achieve this.
+
+Consider we have a "low priv" and a "high priv" group. The low priv only needs password
+to "assign" membership, and the high priv requires password and totp.
+
+
+Method One
+==========
+
+We have metadata on each groups generate memberOf (based on group info itself). This metadata
+says what "strength and type" of authentication is required. The auth request would ask for
+password, then when password is provided (and correct), it then requests
+totp OR finalise. If you take finalise, you get authSuccess but the issued token
+only has the group "low". 
+
+If you take totp, then finalise, you get authSuccess and the group low *and* high.
+
+Method Two
+==========
+
+Groups define if they are "always issued" or "requestable". All group types define
+requirements to be fufilled for the request such as auth strength, connection
+type, auth location etc.
+
+In the AuthRequest if you specific no groups, you do the 'minimum' auth required by
+the set of your "always" groups. 
+
+If you do AuthRequest and you request "high", this is now extended into the set
+of your minimum auth required, which causes potentially more auth steps. However
+the issued token now has group high in addition to low.
+
+extra: groups could define a "number of ID points" required, where the
+server lists each auth type based on strength. So group high would request
+30 points. Password is 10 points, totp is 20 points, webauthn could be 20
+for example. This way, using totp + webauth would still get you a login.
+
+There may be other ways to define this logic, but this applies to method
+one as well.
+
+
+Method Three
+============
+
+Rather than have groups define always or requestable, have a "parent" user
+and that templates "high priv" users which have extended credentials. So you
+may have:
+
+alice {
+    password
+    memberof: low
+}
+
+alice+high {
+    parent: alice
+    totp
+    memberof: high
+}
+
+So to distinguish the request, you would login with a different username
+compared to normal, and that would then enforce extra auth requirements on
+the user.
+
+Considerations
+==============
+
+ssh key auth: When we ssh to a machine with ssh distributed id's how do
+we manage this system? Because the keys are sent to the machine, I think
+that the best way is either method three (the ssh key is an attr of the
++high account. However, it would be valid for the client on the machine
+to check "yep they used ssh keys" and then assert group high lists ssh
+as a valid single factor, which would allow the machine to "login" the
+user but no token is generated for the authentication. A benefit to Method
+three is that the +high and "low" have unique uid/gid so no possible data
+leak if they can both ssh in!
+
+With regard to forwarding tokens (no consideration is made to security of this
+system yet), method two probably is the best, but you need token constraint
+to make sure you can't replay to another host.
+
+